Episode Three, Season Ten of the Thoth-Hermes podcast explores facets of Higher Worlds and the Anthroposophical traditiom. Today, Rudolf meets with Thomas Mayer, Anthroposophical teacher, author and direct democracy activist. In Thomas’s words, “you will meet the people you want to meet” which is an ongoing theme in this conversation.

Thomas “met” Rudolf Steiner at the age of 15, reading “How to Know Higher Worlds”; 44 years later, he is an Anthroposophical meditation teacher, with his partner Agnes Hardorp. Thomas recently published “Answering the Call of the Elementals” which is intended as a lively workbook to intentionally strengthen a practitioner’s connection to those Beings.

In their discussion, Thomas and Rudolf explore the path of supersensible perceptual development. Steiner’s work incorporated and influenced many aspects of esotericism; its wide-ranging impact is felt in the breadth of the interview. Topics range from the theme of the “I”/”Ich”, to organic architecture, to the Akashic records, to shadow work and the neutralization of the binary. The term “geisteswissenschaft” (“Spiritual Science”) is referenced and defined. Thomas describes the range of viewpoint diversity even within the Goetheanum as an institution, finding both more “intellectual” (scholarly, academic) thinkers and “spiritual” experiential artists. Solitary and group egregore work are weighed, with acknowledgement of their necessary coincidence. Rudolf and Thomas both note the bolster of healthy counterbalance that individual and cooperative esoteric work can provide.

Thomas recommends several foundational Steiner texts for listeners, including “The Theosophy of the Rosicrucians”. Rudolf notes that many Steiner writings are available in English, at no cost, online. Thomas enters more specifically into the ideas of the Aether plane and defines the concept of the “Elementals”. Thomas carefully notes the Anthroposophical belief that supersensible perception is available to all humans, but must be actively and personally developed. He reminds us that this is also In the context of mutual interest: that the Elementals seek human interaction as much (or more) as we seek them.

This is the cover of the book we also mention in the podcast, Thomas Mayer’s book on elementals, available in English from Inner Traditions (see link below)

Music played in this episode

Also, on this episode, in the “interval”, between the two parts of the main interview, a first short talk on a series that will appear from time to time in the next weeks and months, about the effects of sound and music in the spiritual world.

Musician and singer EMERELLE, who also provides the music on this episode, speaks to Rudolf on her work and what she thinks music can do with our mind.

Emerelle is a singer, musician & videographer from Austria focused on creating music that touches the soul. Ethereal sounds coming from a deep place of stillness help to reconnect with oneself. 

Here is what she says about herself: “I studied music pedagogy & classical singing at university but quit after 3 years to create my own music. I’ve been on an intense spiritual quest since I was 15 years old, studying various philosophies, meditation, advaita, inner work, traumahealing, sacred womanhood and more. It’s always been my aim to touch & inspire people, to help them feel and reconnect with their true nature. I wish my music to be an inspiration on your path to a more peaceful life”

Click here for her YouTube Channel

And here for her homepage


This meditative chant of the Cathars contains a message for our time, Emerelle invites us to let the music and the lyrics work on you. The song is recorded in 432 Hz and without interruption, underlaid with Schumann frequencies and the overtone singing is real!

(Track starts at [4:52])

2) ELVEN REALMS – Real Time Looping

A great example of the looping technology Emerelle describes in the interview

(Track starts at [1:13:16])


A cover of the famous piece from the “Lord of the Rings”, where Emerelle sings and plays the flute. 

(Track starts at [1:53:24])

Intro and Outro Music
especially written and recorded for the Thoth-Hermes Podcast by Chris Roberts

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